tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post3008089738565306943..comments2024-01-05T12:03:52.460-05:00Comments on No Lawyers - Only Guns and Money: A Round-Up On The Compromise CCW Bill In IllinoisJohn Richardsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03151468462458613615noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-44680659929895633652013-05-30T08:14:42.983-04:002013-05-30T08:14:42.983-04:00We aren't getting Constitutional Carry if this...We aren't getting Constitutional Carry if this bill fails to pass.<br /><br />We'll be getting UNREGULATED carry, which means you may get hooked up for an ordinance violation... go to jail, strip search, FOID suspended, and so on and so forth - to say nothing of legal expenses defending against what may or may not be a now-unconstitutional local ordinance.<br /><br />Does that sound like Constitutional Carry, Mr. Anonymous?<br /><br />I don't think so.John Bochhttp://www.gunssavelife.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-34200828981522506572013-05-24T19:22:00.996-04:002013-05-24T19:22:00.996-04:00I can not support this bill as it is too restricti...I can not support this bill as it is too restrictive. Constitutional carry would be better. Having said that I do not oppose it either but remain neutral on this issue. That is because you are right. If those who defeated the may pass bill and almost passed the better bill would stick to that we should not have to compromise. But Madigan stated that he was not going to allow for no bill to pass and that it was either this or he would ram through a worse bill. Typical Chicago crooked politics but he would have found a way to do it. I watched it pass the house this afternoon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-75422771027450837002013-05-24T19:11:48.607-04:002013-05-24T19:11:48.607-04:00I have read the bill and if it is enforced the way...I have read the bill and if it is enforced the way it is written,(more likely to happen downstate than near Chicago), you would be able to have the firearm on or near you in your vehicle in Illinois as long as you stayed in your vehicle even without the Illinois carry permit. When exiting the vehicle onto public property the firearm would need to be unloaded prior to exiting with it. It could be locked in the vehicle or you could place it in and retrieve it from the trunk. You would only need the permit to carry loaded in non-prohibited public areas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-21902598311423758492013-05-24T14:42:35.494-04:002013-05-24T14:42:35.494-04:00People are forgetting the history of shall-issue i...People are forgetting the history of shall-issue in this country and it's happened in the lifetime of most of us.<br /><br />Alaska, my state, had no carry up until '93. We got a shall-issue bill in '94 with a $125 fee, photos, fingerprints, 12 hours of training -8 hours class time NRA Personal Protection plus state laws, 4 range-, qualification shoot with action type and max caliber you wanted to carry, no restaurant carry, signage had force of law, and some others. As anyone around back then can tell you, that was about standard for shall-issue bills back then as the wave of CCW Florida kicked off was new for a lot of states. <br /><br />The key was the preemption from the get go. In the matter of a few years signage went away, and the action/caliber restriction, we got restaurant carry, the fee went down, and finally in '04 we had Con Carry with permits simply for reciprocity. 10 years total from nothing to one of the best in the nation.<br /><br />This is the reality. Not getting everything you want in one swoop is -not- a loss, particularly since June would -not- have brought "Con Carry" but rather, due to no preemption, a patchwork of county by county by town by town restrictions pushing the limits of Madigan and requiring zip code by zip code court battles to fix.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05414687981098467556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-63547262704981564622013-05-24T09:41:50.685-04:002013-05-24T09:41:50.685-04:00Not an IL resident, nor do intend to spend ANY tim...Not an IL resident, nor do intend to spend ANY time there I can avoid, so my opinion matters for nothing, but. . . <br /><br />Ending Home Rule (i.e., "Chicago Veto") is the big victory in this bill. As other have said, once state pre-emption is in place, REAL pro-rights bills can get passed. Until then, Chicago will still be driving the bus.Geodkythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17340718574781403778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-21811311658836661682013-05-24T00:58:20.059-04:002013-05-24T00:58:20.059-04:00This is why we have such a tough time getting carr...This is why we have such a tough time getting carry in IL. Half of our opponents are on our side.<br /><br />We've had a pro-gun majority in IL for years. What we've lacked is the required super-majority to override home-rule, as you accurately detail in the blog posting.<br /><br />After this bill, that is a non-issue and our majority can actually pass corrective measures to this law.<br /><br />As evidenced in this comment stream, people don't get that. Some of my fellow activists have called me a collaborator for supporting this bill and compared us to the Vichy.<br /><br />It is laughingly fallacious that this opens the door to gun control. Defies logic and history. The door has always been open for gun control. They've only ever needed a simple majority and we've managed to fend off all their proposals. Now the shoe is on the other foot and our simple majority will control.<br /><br />Some people think we are Arizona, apparently. We are a solid blue state. Gun control failed in IL in the wake of Sandy Hook and we are rolling back mag limits and AWBs as well. Think about that for a second.David Lawsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06035151500894725337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-73215806854997485992013-05-24T00:37:22.070-04:002013-05-24T00:37:22.070-04:00Don't pass this bill. It's the compromise...Don't pass this bill. It's the compromise that gets gun control's foot in the door. People think that the litigation against the high fees and prohibitive places is a slam dunk to be overturned. It's not. But what it does do is establish that such measures can be placed on a inalienable right...thus not making it inalienable.<br /><br />Stop this regurgitated compromise bill and dig in in order to get it right the first time. And if it can't be done then let Constitutional Carry reign. The pro gunners are, FINALLY, in the drivers seat on this, they gave fair and tame bills for shall issue and were rejected. Now the gun controllers want "compromise". I say they can suck on their compromise. Push for the bill we want and if not, then Constitutional Carry. <br /><br />Compromise is what got us gun control in the first place. You can't keep compromising on what is right and expect to keep your rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-26624977222174494042013-05-23T23:22:19.415-04:002013-05-23T23:22:19.415-04:00pass this thing immediately, get the ball rolling,...pass this thing immediately, get the ball rolling, and go from there. I spent 20 years in Illinois and finally escaped to Kentucky. Two years ago I would have bet the farm that Illinois would never see shall issue. pass it and get to work making it better once the sky doesn't come falling down. I'll gladly pay the fees and get the two days worth of training if it means I can visit my family without having to pull over at the border and lock things up. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good and get this thing signed into law!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com