tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post5371661133930129129..comments2024-01-05T12:03:52.460-05:00Comments on No Lawyers - Only Guns and Money: Shall Issue Concealed Carry Bill Introduced In IllinoisJohn Richardsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03151468462458613615noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-30167609729136148942013-03-23T05:41:10.296-04:002013-03-23T05:41:10.296-04:00HOPE THE PERSONS THANK BEFORE THAY SPEAK ON GUN RI...HOPE THE PERSONS THANK BEFORE THAY SPEAK ON GUN RIGHTS <br />SOME THINK THAT GUNS ARE A BAD THING, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MURDERS AND <br />HOME BREAKIN'S OR THE CAR JACKINGS THAT HAPPEN EVERY DAY, SURE ITEMS ARE REPLACEABLE BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LOSS OF THESE PERSONS LIFES AND THERE FAMILYS Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-462182066098554982013-03-08T03:59:32.286-05:002013-03-08T03:59:32.286-05:00My parents were both Patent lawyers. If I wanted t...My parents were both Patent lawyers. If I wanted to go into law, but not tread in their footsteps completely, what are some other options?<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://phlebotomytrainingpro.net/connecticut/" rel="nofollow">phlebotomy schools in CT</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106007750484567313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-68916116743035606602013-02-03T07:01:51.486-05:002013-02-03T07:01:51.486-05:00This must fail, as written. Duty to inform and FOI...This must fail, as written. Duty to inform and FOID must both be abolished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-21390933095618641682013-02-03T01:13:56.748-05:002013-02-03T01:13:56.748-05:00Actually, the preemption is a GOOD thing. It means...Actually, the preemption is a GOOD thing. It means Chicago can't make up rules on their own beyond what the law allows.<br /><br />Section 95. Preemption. It is declared to be the policy of<br /> this State that it is an exclusive power and function of the<br /> State to regulate the possession, carrying, and transportation<br /> of handguns and the issuance of licenses to carry a concealed<br /> firearm. Except as provided in subsection (b) of Section 70, a<br /> home rule unit shall not regulate the possession, carrying, or<br /> transportation of handguns. A home rule unit shall not regulate<br /> the number of handguns or require registration of handguns<br /> possessed by a person licensed under this Act. This Section is<br /> a denial of home rule powers and functions under subsection (i)<br /> of Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois Constitution. Any<br /> unit of local government that violates this Section shall be<br /> liable for all costs, fees, and damages to anyone impacted by<br /> any rule or ordinance. In addition to any other awards of fees,<br /> damages, or penalties, the unit of local government shall also<br /> be liable for not less than $10,000 per incident per day in<br /> punitive damages to each individual affected. Awelowynthttp://blog.snoozebuttonronin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-54530090242810164242013-02-03T01:07:49.444-05:002013-02-03T01:07:49.444-05:00The library section was added last year to a carry...The library section was added last year to a carry bill of the same name. HB148 I think.<br /><br />I'm pretty sure they added it to garner support from a law enforcement group; The Illinois Police Chiefs association, if memory serves. Awelowynthttp://blog.snoozebuttonronin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-69509555855704471292013-02-02T22:48:20.579-05:002013-02-02T22:48:20.579-05:00Here's the poison pill: "Provides for ho...Here's the poison pill: "Provides for home rule preemption." That means Chicago slaves will remain DISARMED if they wish to comply with the law.Backwoods Engineerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13666984602233967254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-54024493056015450602013-02-01T12:47:58.850-05:002013-02-01T12:47:58.850-05:00I can understand hoping it will fail after the leg...I can understand hoping it will fail after the legislators fight tooth and nail to get this, or something as good as this, passed. In which case, the legislators would have made a good-faith effort to get concealed carry, and they still have Constitutional Carry!<br /><br />Although things would get messy if the bill (or something like it) fails, it's kindof fun to see that the Illinois gun-banners are in a "darned if you do, darned if you don't" position, for a change...Epsilon Givennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-75271718057934637012013-02-01T00:00:13.665-05:002013-02-01T00:00:13.665-05:00Look to Arizona, Wyoming, and Alaska. Get a good l...Look to Arizona, Wyoming, and Alaska. Get a good law and then improve it over time. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.<br /><br />Alaska went from effectively no concealed carry since statehood, to a bill much like this in '94, to steady improvements year by year, to being the first state since Vermont (which got it by court ruling a century ago) to have Constitutional Carry in 2004.<br /><br />Play smart and win long term. Try for the whole schmear at once and youll end up with piecemeal BS forever.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05414687981098467556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-65284271517846255512013-01-31T21:29:52.000-05:002013-01-31T21:29:52.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17639165053544976481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-60976346710663712392013-01-31T20:06:26.600-05:002013-01-31T20:06:26.600-05:00Not bad except for the psych records. What do the...Not bad except for the psych records. What do they mean by psych records? I was daignosed with ADD as a kid, will that get held against me? Or they they mean if you were institutionalized by a court of law? Otherwise, pretty much the same restrictions most states have. I wonder if they will consider firearms traning given by other states as an approved course (not including the live fire). I have CCW permits from Florida, Utah, and Arizona having attended the "Legal Heat" class at Cabela's. I don't want to have to pay for another 4 hour course to hear the same thing all over again.<br /><br />One fear is that the local gun ranges will charge out the nose fees for the qualification shoot. One local range is $40/hour and $120 per FFL transfer. I can imagine them charging $100 plus an hour's range time to watch me shoot 30 rounds. There are not that many ranges in the Chicago suburbs and econ 101 dictates that monopolies lead to sky high prices.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-4908214248093934742013-01-31T19:04:10.517-05:002013-01-31T19:04:10.517-05:00I know the situation in Illinois & relatively ...I know the situation in Illinois & relatively this is better than what the situation has been.<br /><br />But I strongly disagree that ANY fee or condition in order to exercise a fundamental, natural Right could be considered "reasonable". <br /><br />Yes, I know it's cheaper than a lot of states, but when the pro-gun side starts accepting impositions as a matter of political expediency, then we hurt our long game in exchange for a quick win in the short game.<br /><br />Another idea - has anyone considered pushing a stand alone pre-emption law? That way when the clock runs out you won't have the alleged patchwork of laws from town to town. & I know of few state legislatures that aren't arrogant enough to claim only they can make laws to the exclusion of political subdivisions, so I'd see that as an easy sell.<br /><br />I have a great amount of sympathy for folks in Illinois, & I really do understand the idea that anything is better than what they've had to put up with, but I'd counsel to not view "shall issue" as a holy grail - use "shall issue" to work towards a Constitutional carry system. Not easy, especially there, but it's better to strive for recognition of Rights than settle for a privilege based system. Publicolahttp://publicola.mu.nunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-54626688293500725062013-01-30T20:50:22.165-05:002013-01-30T20:50:22.165-05:00I think pressing the deadline has benefits, it jus...I think pressing the deadline has benefits, it just depends on how it's finessed.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-59699525333661412742013-01-30T20:47:54.980-05:002013-01-30T20:47:54.980-05:00The first "Anonymous" is on the side of ...The first "Anonymous" is on the side of pro-carry. You read what he/she said incorrectly. He/She wants it to fail because if it does, and the 180-day clock runs out on the stay, we have (supposedly) constitutional, permit-less carry. Not saying I agree with it that that would be the outcome, for there are a few scenarios that could take place, but am just trying to clarify what I believe he/she was trying to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-63151021782565561252013-01-30T20:45:38.076-05:002013-01-30T20:45:38.076-05:00Nope, it won't be the free for all you envisio...Nope, it won't be the free for all you envision, keep dreaming. Municipalities like Chicago and the entire surrounding area as well as random towns and counties all over the state will pass their own laws and thus make IL a patchwork of carry laws that differ as you walk down the sidewalk, or drive down the street. Walk down the sidewalk and step into the wrong town with a gun and you go from legal to spending time behind bars for violating that towns carry law. Same with driving your car down the road cross a municipal boundary and you can go from legal to criminal in an instant. A law with preemption is a vital necessity in IL to avoid this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-84739340037678114472013-01-30T20:13:19.264-05:002013-01-30T20:13:19.264-05:00Ditto on Don's comments.Ditto on Don's comments.John B.http://www.gunssavelife.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-53118836162046506612013-01-30T20:04:59.793-05:002013-01-30T20:04:59.793-05:00Thanks, Anonymous. We like you, too.
Sheesh.
Loo...Thanks, Anonymous. We like you, too.<br />Sheesh.<br /><br />Look, if THEY hold out past the deadline, we'll go get an order from the 7th Circuit that'll leave a mark. In that scenario, yes, ALL the power and momentum shifts to our side. But it's unlikely we could then stop them from passing some kind of carry bill.<br /><br />If WE hold out deliberately to force the state past the deadline, the most likely result would be our coalition falling apart, and rightly so--we went to court, we won, and then we drag our feet because we think we can game the courts that way? Even many legislators we can now consider reliable would desert us.<br /><br />We're much better off passing a strong shall-issue bill with preemption, and this bill fits those orders. This is the same bill we tried to get passed the last two years (and came within just a few votes of sending to the Governor) with some changes made, all of which reflect the fact that we now have more leverage and less need to negotiate. This bill is better for gun owners in several ways.Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15824445546892392815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-46653295365259403342013-01-30T13:36:03.200-05:002013-01-30T13:36:03.200-05:00I hope it fails.
Illinois is on the 180 day clock...I hope it fails.<br /><br />Illinois is on the 180 day clock. If no legislation passes, Illinois becomes Wyoming.<br /><br />Fail, baby, fail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-51936523195621984722013-01-30T13:33:01.221-05:002013-01-30T13:33:01.221-05:00@Anon: Here is the full wording from Sec. 70(a)(14...@Anon: Here is the full wording from Sec. 70(a)(14) about libraries: "A public library building without the written consent of the library's governing body. The governing body shall inform the appropriate law enforcement agency of that consent."<br /><br />I agree with you on this. However, I see Rep. Phelps as treading a fine line between what is ideal and what can be passed in Illinois given the composition of the General Assembly. The mere concept of Shall-Issue has got to have the gun prohibitionists already riled up.John Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03151468462458613615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-41807557121638628152013-01-30T13:17:11.162-05:002013-01-30T13:17:11.162-05:00As a director of a public library, I can not agree...As a director of a public library, I can not agree to exempt public libraries from the legality of a CCW allowance. <br /><br />Unless a government facility has armed guards at all times to provide reasonable public safety, CCW should be allowed.<br /><br />Prohibiting the public from CCW is a sensitive, life or death matter, not subject to the idiotic concept of "Gun-Free Zones", where everyone's life is in danger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com