tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post7386691216401711047..comments2024-01-05T12:03:52.460-05:00Comments on No Lawyers - Only Guns and Money: Ball And Dummy DrillJohn Richardsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03151468462458613615noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-40573219241086188802011-10-26T15:46:00.410-04:002011-10-26T15:46:00.410-04:00Hi Sean, I just find that the more experience you ...Hi Sean, I just find that the more experience you have with weapons and the more you handle them, the more nonchalant you become. Only if you conscientiously adhere to very strict guidelines will likely never have an accident or if you do have an accident you minimize damage. <br /><br />Based upon your additional explanation it sounds as though the pistol was pointed downrange at all times, which is better than what I had initialy understood.<br /><br />Personally still, I never hand a gun to someone without first removing the mag and chamber checking and handing over separately the pistol, with the slide back, and mag. Just thinking about this range training activity makes me cringe if only because it is sooo ingrained in my psyche.<br /><br />Regarding the dummy rounds, I also never mix my dummy rounds with live ammo. Human error, which could occur in re-sorting the rounds, would without a doubt poke its head out when you least like it to; like coming across a surprising live round when "dry firing" with the dummies.Michael Tallitschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00334061129471853952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-88747347687867421432011-10-25T15:07:21.857-04:002011-10-25T15:07:21.857-04:00@John: I have a loaded chamber indicator, so I mad...@John: I have a loaded chamber indicator, so I made sure to bring my dummy rounds.<br /><br />@mtallit: Since I was 2 people down from John when he was doing this I feel comfortable telling you that no one was muzzled during this drill. We did the drill safely because we were properly supervised and we aren't total idiots. <br /><br />For those who aren't clear on the procedure, here's what we did. The shooter would hand the empty mag to the coach. While the shooter was taking a few practice dry fires, the coach would load a live round (or not) into the mag. The shooter would hand the pistol to the coach in such a way that the coach could take a normal grip with the right hand. The shooter would turn left, and the coach, taking care to keep the pistol pointed downrange, would turn right. This put them back to back. The coach would load mag into the pistol, and if equipped, would engage the safety. He would then turn downrange and hand the pistol back to the coach in a safe manner, taking care to keep the pistol pointed downrange the whole time.<br /><br />It is a simple proceedure that takes longer to explain than it does to complete. It is safe, so long as no one acts like an idiot.<br /><br />If you are at a range that has a bench, it is easier for the shooter to put the pistol on the bench and walk uprange turning his back. The coach can load the pistol and put it back on the bench. The shooter can then pick up the pistol and fire it. Lacking benches, our options were to hand the pistol, or put it into each other's holster. I preferred handing it across, and so did the class instructors.Sean D Sorrentinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02710448105506060349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4146148016062694502.post-48766981391650408102011-10-25T13:48:54.950-04:002011-10-25T13:48:54.950-04:00I've been to many training courses from a coup...I've been to many training courses from a couple different organizations. While I support new & novel training ideas, I have never witnessed loaded weapons being handed between trainees. The handguns were either in your holster or you were on the training line. <br /><br />For safety sake, I would not recommend this practice (and would not want to be around while it was occuring). If the participants were back to back with others lined up next to them, how did each of the loaders turn around with a potentially loaded weapon?<br /><br />Treat every weapon as if it's loaded and don't muzzle anything you don't want to annihilate. Even if the pistol is not chambered, at least 2 basic rules had to be broken in this activity.Michael Tallitschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00334061129471853952noreply@blogger.com